You're completely right Mark. I'm personally tired of the whining and bitching. I just read a press release from the Telecommunications Workers Union President, Bruce Bell. In it he states, "During the VoIP proceeding, we asked the Commission to consider the impact that growth of VoIP service will have on wireline subscribers. It's great that the CRTC decided to regulate phone companies' VoIP rates. But it should regulate the VoIP service that is provided by the cable companies, as well. Otherwise, as growth in VoIP use reduces phone companies' wireline revenues, subscribers who continue to rely on wireline service will be forced to pay higher and higher rates. Nothing in this decision addresses that issue,". This guy conveniently forgets to mention that Cable networks are just not as far-reaching as Wireline providers, so competing 'el-cheapo' voip-over-cable just won't be available everywhere. Those is non-cable serviceable markets will still buy DSL from you guessed it, Bell, Telus, or a reseller. Wireline providers will still maintain a monopoly in those markets. But wait, another thought comes to mind. Shouldn't a Telecommunications Worker Union boss have a little more faith in the product and services that he indirectly represents? Wireline (PSTN) phone services will still offer close to 100% uptime, and even in 5 years - I doubt voip will achieve that. Roll with the times people and adapt folks. I used to work for a Telco-oriented company and got laid off during the restructuring of 2000-2001. Guess what? I went to work for an ISP. Hey Bruce, if things look grim - chin up! You can always start a Voip Workers Union.