I guess he doesn't use cordless phones either ... since it's the same spectrum.

I hear you can fashion a helmet out of tinfoil to protect
yourself from all of this.

Tell Fred it works great for blocking unwanted government mind
reading and brain scans as well :)

Mike B

Via has actually had wifi on some of their trains for quite a while now. In Via 1 cars, on at least some trains between Toronto and Montreal, anyway. It was a free beta for a while, then went to a paid service. It is awesome - sit there, with space, a plug, GPRS and wifi webtone? And a glass of wine? Sweetness.

-- Stuart

Took several decades before the effects of asbestos were understood. Takes more than 10 years for most cancers to show themselves in response to an environmental condition. Several credible studies, many out of Sweden, have looked at cell phone use 10 years or beyond and have found slight increases in certain cancers. Others have found effects on learning and conditions such as headaches.

Most of us haven't used cell phones that long, let alone used Wi-Fi. Yeah, this guy is perhaps overly paranoid, but I wouldn't write off anybody as crazy until enough time has passed. BTW: Last week the city of Salzburg in Austria banned Wi-Fi in all public schools. So Fred ain't the only one concerned about kids. The Brits, having concluded that kids should limit cell phone exposure, have just launched their own study into Wi-Fi.

I'm a big lover in wireless technologies, but I'm not about to completely dismiss potential long-term health issues related to electromagnetic frequencies just because the industry, and industry-funded studies, suggest it's safe. That said, we're so bathed in these frequencies that if a problem ever does emerge we'll all be doomed anyways.

Fair comment across the board, Tyler. Including the last line :-(

-- Stuart

the voice of reason! good points but i'd like to see how gilbert made his decision. it looks rather arbitrary.

I thought Salzberg was all about preventing GSM antennas/towers from being near schools?

The UK work referred to was conducted on kids under age 12. The argument was that since skull bone tissue was not fully developed kids might (it was not conclusive) be at risk.

As far as I know kids under 12 do not attend Lakehead.

Tell me about it... I personally don't feel safe anymore: risk of cancer is in the air, in the water, in food, and of course everywhere. You have really good points here, you said it all for me. We have to ways in the next 10 years: find the perfect cure for every type of cancer or simply comply and accept the facts...

Gordman,
Mesothelioma Law Suits

You are clueless. WiFi and Cellphones both run on radio waves. This is a fact. There is no debate in the scientific community about the fact that radio waves give you cancer. Radio waves will give you cancer in large enough doses. The only debate is how much. WiFi and cellphones emit very small amounts of radio waves and no conclusive resarch has been found that can prove that these small amounts are enough to give you cancer. That is the only point you can argue without showing your complete ignorance of the subject.

Nice netiquette. Next time, why not change your tone to something a little more constructive and help edify us all.

Unless, Mr. "Anonymous", you're some neurosurgeon hiding behind the Web, I'd be careful about who you call clueless. I've talked to the former head of the World Health Organization, reputable scientists and neurosurgeons around the world, and top-level health officials in Canada, and while there's no general agreement, they all agree that not enough time has passed to make the kinds of judgements you just made. The only ones who consistently make those judgements are the industry itself.

I've got a Wi-Fi network at home, occasionally use a cell phone and have baby monitors galor throughout my house. I'm not saying this is bad stuff, I'm saying people have their reasons for being concerned, just given the very fact that something is "not conclusive."

If you had some crazy-looking mole taken off your ass and the doctor came back and said the bioopsy was "inconclusive," would you go home and not worry about it?

Spot on, Tyler. I seem to recall that smoking use to not be a cause of cancer. Anyone out there disputing modern medicine on that one these days?

First off not claiming to a be an expert on this subject, but I will share some information.

The last point of radio waves I get... but we have been surrounded by those since day one. Radios have been around for close to a hundred years, right?

From what I understand... it isn't necessarily the radio waves... it is the EMFs (Electro Magnetic Frequencies) produced during operation of portable electronics. Cell phones among other things like computers, cars, and above all Microwaves emit these EMFs that disrupt our biofield. This biofield that surrounds our entire body controls our stress levels and our over all well-being. These EMFs change our resonating frequency causing headaches in some cases. The constant saturation of these EMFs is thought to cause cancer.

Some interesting points have been brought up here... Asbestos, Smoking... these things weren't proven until well after their usage.

There have also been recent developments to neutralize EMFs in the form of a pendant form. If you have ever watched the golf network, advertisements for a product called the 'Q-link' can be seen. From what I understand nearly every professional golfer including Tiger Woods wears this jewlery that neutralizes harmful frequencing allowing for better focus and concentration.

http://www.qlinkgolf.com/Scripts/default.asp

hope this helps everyone...

btw... I do wear a 'Q Link' and I feel the benefits

And it looks like its made the International press ...
http://news.com.com/2061-11199_3-6042429.html?part=rss&tag=6042429&subj=news

Just so you are made aware, Lakehead University does have a full time daycare in the middle of campus with dozens of children. They also host several summer-long science camps for kids.

P.S. How long was it before they told people not to build under power lines?

"So Fred, what makes you think this research is so conclusive? You got any concrete evidence it's true?"

Any concrete evidence that it's not? Err on the side of caution, I say.

I've seen this guy on tv. He was speaking and don't know why I wasn't believing a single thing.